Vielleicht wird sich Melian bei dir auch noch bedanken.
Vielleicht wird sich Melian bei dir auch noch bedanken.
Ich habe mal die "wichtigen" Klassen editiert. Schön wäre es zumindest noch einen Balance Druid zu haben und einen Flag Carrier (entweder Prot Warrior, Feral Druid (nicht Guardian) oder Mistweaver Monk).
Als Information zu den Flag Carriern: Mit 5.3 wurde eine Änderung gemacht, die allen Tank Specs einen 50% Damage Increase Debuff und allen anderen Specs einen 20% Damage Increase Debuff gibt, sobald man die Flagge aufnimmt. Deshalb fallen die meisten Tank Specs weg. Prot Warrior ist noch wegen Utility und starken defensiven Cooldowns zu gebrauchen.
aber da Bela den Carrier machen wird würd ich nur aushelfen wenn euch einer fehlt
Klingt erst mal super und generelles Interesse besteht auf jeden Fall, Gear hab ich auch schon seit 2 Monaten voll (496). Aber nicht nur Melian hat sich ja schon des öfteren über Zeitmangel geäußert deshalb lehne ich mich da mal lieber nicht all zu weit aus dem Femster, von 2 auf feste 5 Tage hochschrauben wäre mir ehrlich gesagt deutlich zu krass für die nächsten Monate. Und ob ich da als Carrier ohne all zu viel Praxis die beste Bereicherung wäre? Ich fürchte nicht, müsste man halt mal schauen - gildenintern, joar darauf hätte ich schon Bock :super:
Deshalb fallen die meisten Tank Specs weg. Prot Warrior ist noch wegen Utility und starken defensiven Cooldowns zu gebrauchen.
Die Warlock Tank Glyphe bekommt übrigens auch die 50% pentality, just fyi. Utility mäßig nehmen sich Arms und Prot warrior glaube ich gar nichts mehr wenn mich da nicht alles täuscht (-25% damage reduce via def stance, berserker rage, kurzer cd auf shieldwall, spell reflect, shockwave, aoe slow, mobility, etc pp) - einziger markanter Unterschied der mir da spontan einfällt sind 20% extra stamina und -6% crit passiv für den Tank und das dürfte den Zusatzschaden wohl kaum aufheben.
Hi ich würde auch mit machen mit Schamandra Ele oder Ersatzrestro allerdings werde ich erst im Oktober dazu stoßen können wenn es nicht zu spät ist für euch :)
egal was du als Druide brauchst, ich mach es. habe auch für alle Rollen das eq rumliegen.
Edit: Wenn ich es die Tage schaffe den priest noch hochzuziehen kann ich auch den nehmen, was du magst. Was noch fehlt wäre Schurke/Smokebomb & Priest/Massdispel
Wir haben uns nun die Meldungen angeguckt und eine Gruppe zusammen gestellt:
- Heiler: Fanelia, Asnodori
- Damage: Mäzl, Minasa, Kyu, Adrienna, Zarrik, Cenety (Balance)
- Flag Carrier: Gromkal
Wer durchgezählt hat, dem fällt auf, dass etwas fehlt. Wir haben noch 3 externe Leute in der Gruppe. Damit wären wir insgesamt 12. Von den drei externen ist einer Heiler (Resto Druid) und zwei Ranged Damage (Warlock und Hunter).
Da wir 4 Leute dabei haben, die jede Woche gerne die gleichen Tasten zum gleichen Zeitpunkt drücken, können wir maximal 2 Termine pro Woche finden:
- Dienstags von 18:30 Uhr bis 23:00 Uhr
- Samstags von 20 Uhr bis open end
Wobei der Samstags Termin mehr als optional angesehen wird. Wir werden jede Woche Kalender Invites versenden und je nach Anmeldungen bis spätestens Donnerstag Abend entscheiden, ob der Termin am Samstag stattfindet oder nicht.
Der erste Termin ist Dienstag, der 24.09.2013.
Bitte gebt uns hier in diesem Thread bis spätestens Donnerstag bescheid, ob ihr mit dem Terminen einverstanden seid und mitmachen möchtet.
An dieser Stelle möchten wir auch nochmal auf die Bedingungen im Startpost hinweisen. Mindestens volles Tyrannical Gear, usw. Bedenkt auch, dass es nun einen Setbonus für 2 equippte PvP Trinkets mit ca. 10% Damage Reduction gibt. Der Effekt von PvE Trinkets ist in Battlegrounds sehr stark reduziert und sobald Grievous Trinkets vorhanden sind, ist zwischen den Trinkets mindestens ein Itemlevel unterschied von 10. Ebenfalls ist es von Vorteil, jede Woche den World Boss auf der Timeless Isle zu machen um mögliche PvP Teile zu bekommen.
An diejenigen, die oben nicht aufgelistet sind: Wir bedanken uns für euer Interesse. Falls einer der oben genannten abspringt, werden wir uns nochmal melden.
was ist mit nächsten Samstag? Oder steht der noch gar nicht zur Option sonder erst in der Woche danach?
also falls es diesen Samstag is, kann ich leider net, bekommen besuch
Wie gesagt, der erste Termin ist kommenden Dienstag. Diese Woche Samstag ist erstmal nicht geplant.
Falls sich keiner mehr meldet und etwas gegen die Termine vorzubringen hat, werden wir in Kürze die Kalenderinvites verschicken.
Bitte holt euch bis zum ersten Termin auch eine Horde Battle Standard (500 Honor).
- zum Start das volle Tyrannical Set (S13) besitzen (mögliche PvE Trinkets/anderer OP-Shit außen vor gelassen)
- bestmögliche Enchants und Gems auf dem PvP Gear haben
Diese zwei Punkte sind wichtig! Denkt immer daran, ihr verarscht andere damit, wenn ihr nicht die bestmöglichen entchants und gems habt!
Rein Interessehalber: sockelt man für rbg egtl. eher resilience oder setzt man auf unterstützende Stats für die angedachte Aufgabe (idR: haste, crit, mastery)?
Ich würde es super finden wenn wir einen eigenen Bereich bekommen könnten für RBG, da wir sicher in der nächsten Zeit vor allem an Anfang uns viel Austauschen werden, bezüglich Ideen und Strategien. Wäre super wenn sich einrichten lassen würde. :super:
Erstmal zu Bela dann zum eigentlichen. IMO wird resi nicht gesockelt, da du schon den erhöhten Wert an Abhärtung besitzt welcher auf das Endgear abzielt. Es wäre also erst eine Überlegung wenn alle langsam volles EQ besitzen und du oft im RBG gefocust wirst z.B. FC, alles natürlich nur in maßen das es dir im Arathi Nachteile verschaffen würde wenn du nicht genug Dmg bringst.
Jetzt nochmal Allgemein zu RBG, habe nochmal ein paar wichtige Informationen zusammen gesucht, damit morgen nicht komplette Ahnungslosigkeit herrscht.
Battlegroundtargets, Deadly Boss Mods, Icycle
This battleground is the bread and butter of each team and has been around the longest in the wow history.
It is a simple capture the flag battleground and lasts 20 or untill someone has captured 3 flags.
Most competitive games will last the full 20 minutes, unless someone manages to capture 2 flags, in which case its GG 90% of the time.
In the start of the game you want 9 out of 10 people to leave the gates trough your graveyard.
The 10th will go trough the tunnel and pickup the speed buff, so that the enemy FC can't get it if he manages to push trough you (which will happen 90% of the time), this should also be the person picking up berserking, usually a warlock or balance druid.
You should have 9 people fairly close to eachother and your FC on the right side of the map, so he can slip trough as soon as the fighting starts.
DONOT have your FC try and get the flag before the midfield fight has started because otherwise they might turn around and try to kill him, if they succeed they have a huge advantage and even if they fail they force you into a bad position (fighting close to their base, near their GY).
If they have a mage, rogue, hunter or sometimes even balance druid, chances are they will try to slow down your FC to prevent him from getting to the flag, anticipate this by having a player (preferably a dps who can heal and peel well, like a spriest or a balance druid) be mounted up untill all of the aforementioned classes are either in combat or trying to engage the tank, if they try to engage the tank it's his job to cc them/slow them down so the tank can run past safely.
Thanks in this case should never dismount unless absolutely nescesary.
Ofcourse if you are using a feral druid as FC, you shouldn't have to worry about it, since he should just be stealthing past them.
Personally I dont try to go for the enemy FC because im not using a hunter or rogue and am fairly confident in my groups ability to wipe the enemy team midfield.
However if you have a feral druid and they have a warrior, it might be worth sending 1-2 people back to try and catch the EFC and get a quick cap.
90% of the time the fight will start when a DK gets a decent grip going and people connect on that target, if you donot have a DK, make sure you engage them first because if they grip you you are in a bad shape
While struggling in the mid try and wipe them one by one, follow your targetcallers orders and hope your team is good enough to wipe them.
Try killing them and pushing them back to their graveyard.
If you get close to their graveyard quickly, stop advancing and just keep them boxed in, make sure nobody escapes, that way, when their FC enters midfield, you can easily swap onto him and kill him.
By now, both FC's should have the flag and should be running back, if you are wiping them your FC should take the tunnel, if they are wiping you you should all disengage and meet up with your FC at the ramp to get him across the map safely.
If you see their FC come out of your tunnel and you are on their side call for a disengage of 2-3 people (preferably high-burst classes, like mages spriests and destro locks), everybody else should stay fighting and slowing down the enemy team while those people go for the EFC.
This will usually force 1-2 major cooldowns (last stand/shieldwall) out of their tank or even kill him allowing you to get an easy cap.
If this doesn't happen, have your FC stay behind the group, and have an Hpaladin keep an eye on him, if they want to swap onto your FC they should either use a grip (which can be countered by life-grip) or charge trough your full group, which leaves them and their healers exposed allowing for a quick wipe.
Once you start pushing them towards their graveyard, send your FC together with 1 hpaladin back to your base and start pushing for their FC.
Keep an eye on their spawntimers and try to kill some of them while the rest just spawned for an easy second wipe.
A good way to do this is have a stopwatch set to 45 seconds and push it every time they ress (if one of you addon people read this please help me and make this for me)
With 3 stacks up a Deathgrip-Stun-Smokebomb (if with rogue) should force major cooldowns/get you a kill.
If the EFC isn't standing at their GY but rather in their base, you need to wipe them one last time (should be easy since they will most likely have a healer with their FC) and then have 2-3 people go for the EFC, against heavy burst classes like lock/spriest/mage are ideal for this (though mages not so much after the recent frostbomb nerf).
If you don't have the group to wipe them and they are pushing you back, the only way to win is to fight on your graveyard, with your FC behind you or even on top of your graveyard (warriors can intervene up and (s)priests can grip healers up.
Keep in mind that they can be gripped down by DK's and that warriors/rogues can shadowstep/charge up the graveyard aswell.
If you can't even wipe them while standing on your own graveyard, your in trouble, bigtime.
The only way you can win now is hoping that you cán beat them 5v5.
What you do is split your group up and go to roof, group 1 will be defending, group 2 will be attacking.
Group 1 should consist of the FC, 2 healers and 2 dps who can slow/knockback/control enemy attackers well, like mages, balance druids, warlocks or dk's.
Group 2 should consist of 1 healer and the other 4 dps, and should be going for the EFC (if you let them into your base, their EFC will go back to their base which leaves him vulnerable).
From there on its your job to win the 2 fights, the best way of doing this is having the warrior stand on your roof and have the balance or resto druid regularly knock them down into your flag room, which causes them to have to waste time running back up again, which gives your offense team time to kill the EFC.
Alternatively, if you have a really good feral druid, you can try the kiting strategy, if you do this well you can keep running endless laps around your base and not get caught, remember to only do this with a good feral druid since he will LoS/range your healers aswell and if he gets caught while the healers arn't there he will die very quickly. Remember that after 4 stacks travelform doesn't give any speed boost anymore, so the only way you can kite is by being in bear. Make sure that if your attack team thinks they can kill the EFC soon, that your FC gets ready to jump off the roof/run into the flag room to prepare to cap.
Rinse and repeat this strategy for profit
If you are ahead 1 flag/capped last and its almost time, you can consider camping your roof, this is a pretty risky strategy but it can pay off very well.
Donot consider camping unless there is less then 10 minutes left when the flags are first picked up.
The way to camping is having your melee stand below the ramp, ranged stand up the ramp and FC stand near the edge of the roof, that way, if they want to reach your FC, they will have to go trough your entire team before reaching him.
Also make sure to utilize knockbacks on roof to the fullest extend, knocking 3 dps off while their rogue is bombing is priceless
Twin Peaks :
My guide for twin peaks is essentially the same as Warsong Gulch, but I will give a few more pointers which are unique to TP but that is it.
In the start always try to get across the water asap or else donot fight near the water, not being able to run away because of the bridge LOS or because water slows you down sucks major balls, so just avoid the water alltogether.
If you can't get them to come into the water and basically have a stalemate, go over the water near the alliance graveyard and fight near the big rock there, alternatively you can make a demonic portal and port people over.
If you are getting pushed back, try moving towards your middle graveyard while having your tank stand inbetween you and the graveyard so you get quick resses.
If you really cannot hold it anymore consider going back into your base and up the ramp, especially with knock-back classes and good path blocking it is pretty easy to defend a tank there while your spriest/mage/lock try to kill the EFC.
If you have an elemental shaman and your alliance, try to knock the enemy flag carrier off the map while hes crossing the water near the alliance berserker buff hut, this is really a great strategy, as it gives you a huge chance to get a cap (considering the flag stays in limbo for quite some time before returning itself, which gives you alot of time to get on the flag spot).
Catching flag carriers in the water is a great strategy as horde, you can easily have your casters rip into him from up the ramp and he isn't going anywhere because damage removes his water walking. Water+Slow=not going anywhere.
If they all gather up in their base to turtle, just push trough them with freedom totem and rape the EFC asap.
For the strategy again its the same as WSG only instead of defending on roof you have to defend on ramp.
Arathi Basin is the hardest map to lead on, which is positive, considering you can win against teams much better then you by just outleading them.
What you need to do is keep your cool at all times and keep control of your group, people have the tendency to think that they know better on this BG and try and ninjacap bases/go on their own for some reason.
For this game you need to split up your group in 4 subgroups
G1=Arms warrior/feral druid (if they have this offspec decently geared, if not just stay prot/guardian) & Hpala, the arms warrior will cap farm and move to BS to try and stall the enemy there
G2=Rogue, hunter or mage (if you have 2)=If you dont have a rogue or hunter or only 1 mage and they do have a rogue/hunter/2 mages, its not worth going for GM since you will lose it anyway, rather have that one extra dps up on LM.
G3=Rsham+Dpriest+4 DPS=LM, once (if) you get LM, they will slow fall down to BS and try to get that aswell
G4=Mage going to LM aswell to fight there and then defend.
In the start all groups will go to their assigned base, the BS group is just stalling the opposing group for as long as possible.
If your G3+4 succeed in doing this, have the mage stay LM, give everybody slowfall and have them jump down to BS to cap that aswell.
As soon as your dps land on BS, your warrior will go to the Farm/stables and defend that for the rest of the game.(arms should obv go sword+board)
G3+4 should then be able to cap BS, since all their DPS are still ressing at farm/stables, or even their starting place if the LM group was quick.
If they manage to get to BS before you can safely cap it, just wipe them again
If your G2 also manages to cap mine, you should now have 4 bases. Most groups however will send 1 dps to mine to help guy cap, this is okay, just have your defenderstall them as long as possible and then die. Like that they will have 1 less player on the BS which makes the fight easier there.
Once you have those 4 (most likely 3 unless its a really bad team) you should spread out your players, 1 healer on each base (if you have LM preferably you on LM, since you have a nice overview there) and all your DPS on blacksmith.
Nowadays it's almost impossible to win a full teamfight on a base that is controlled by another player, so most of their attacks wil be having most of their group go to 1 base and then having 2 sneak attack on another base.
Therefore, if they are attacking 1 base you should only send your 2 other healers there if all enemys have been located (except those defending their bases ofcourse)
The above was all assuming that the enemy doesn't wipe you and that you can get 3/4 bases in the start.
The hard part starts when you arn't able, for instance you get wiped on LM.
What you do then depends on how fast you get wiped, if you lasted long enough to ress on stables/farm it should be fine, you can easily get to BS before the enemy team caps it by slowfalling down from the LM.
Send your mage to help your GM attacker at GM if he hasn't capped that yet so you atleast get that base. Then have the frostmage stay there.
If you failed badly on LM and get a ress in your starting base, you may consider going LM instead, if they are all in the air slowfalling they are really slowed down from getting to LM, and if they only left 1 person there you can easily rape him and ninja the base.
This does however give you the LM-GM-Farm/ST base combination, which is really hard to defend.
If you fail on this aswell and the opponents take BS, you first and foremost need to keep your calm.
What you then do is move your entire group to the point inbetween the 3 bases they have (so for instance if they have LM-Farm-BS, move to the bridge between ST and farm.
There you should try and wipe anyone in your way, which should be easy since they usually have a couple of floaters. Once those are dead you need to see where they have least people defending, BS or LM/GM. Have your mage leave the GM/LM and have him go with another dps that can cc to open on the stables or the farm (whichever applicable) and then send your entire team to the base where they have the least players. Have your DK stand between the BS and that base to slow them down. Make sure you kill 1-2 of them before they are there in full force, once they are all there have 1 person disengage and send your mage from GM/LM to the Farm/Stables (whichever isn't yours) leaving LM undefended and then have him go with that 1 dps to cc cap that base
This should get you back to 3 bases and then just employ the defending strategy I mapped out earlier, even though the bases you are defending arn't fully optimal.
The key to winning this map is the opener and communication, people need to be constantly on the lookout for enemy movement patterns to see where they are going asap, keep an eye on the enemy team rogue and their other stealthers, every person assigned to solo defend a base should be able to keep that base alone for atleast 30 seconds if they use full cooldowns.
If you are doing a mass fight you should always be on the lookout for people who are trying to ninjacap, this is mainly the job of the person assigned to defend that base, so if he sees someone trying to ninja while hes cc'd, he should ofcourse call it out. The person best suited to keeping an eye on the flag is the DK and the destro lock(s), since howling blast/rain of fire allows them to instantly stop any capping attempt.
This BG is where the good people distinguish themselves from the average ones, keeping a base against 2 people helbend on either ripping you apart in a global or ninjaing that base from you is really an art.
If you have incommings here, make sure you say it, even if it is only one and you think you can handle it, as soon as its needed people should be coming over to wipe them.
Thats about it for AB, the key to winning this place is great internal communication combined with excelent strat knowledge and solo performance.
Good luck, this is the hardest BG to lead that there is.
Eye of the Storm:
This is the worst BG you can get, it is a BG that is essentially decided in the first ~4 minutes of the game and from then on you have the choice to either play fun or turtle for the win. Having people who can knock back (especially combined with aoe grips) is really good here
Send a mage to one base and the prot warrior/feral druid to the other one (it doesn't really matter which one goes where), the prot will probably stay on his base for the entire game picking his nose (fun gameplay, I know) while the mage should try to find out what class is on the tower opposite to him and occasionally try and ninjacap it (have him ask you for permission first though). You need to avoid having a protection warrior on the MT/BET because it is really easy for a mage to ninjacap from him there
In the start of the game have 8/10 of your team charge the middle.
Make sure your mage gives everyone slowfall.
If you fail to do this this can have potentially horrible consequences, because half your team is at half health when you reach the middle.
Once all are in the middle, start pushing them back knockbacks/pressure.
If they are pushed back far enough your ele shams/druids should knock them off to create even more pressure.
Try and wipe them asap as this fight is the most important one in the game.
Your DK should keep an eye on the flag with howling blast to avoid them from ninjacapping it, but if you already do good damage this should never happen
Once you start wiping them push them back and tell your healers to cap the flag.
The best person who can do this is a resto shaman or a resto druid because they can ghostwolf/travelform with the flag for less downtime.
Have him run to the prot war/ (or to the mage if you have a feral defending) and drop flag and then go back to the middle again, instruct your FC to only cap flags when you say it.
Just keep wiping them if they try and push one of your towers or your FC.
Your flag carrier is basically unkillable due to not getting debuffs for carrying the flag.
If you play it really gay you can just have 2 people on 1 base and the other 8 on the base they are currently attacking when you get the flag and wait with capping till 50 points left for an easy win
If you have a semi-decent team, you should never ever ever lose a base because of the graveyard being so close to each base (except maybe MT).
Then when the score hits 1550 (this will take a long time) have your FC cap the flag, good game, you just won in the most lamest way ever.
If the opponent has better pressure then you you are basically ****ed on this map, youcan't really win unless they play badly.
Your best bet is to have 7/10 push into one base which isn't opposite to the one your mage is on and have your mageleave his base and go to the other base together with another dps who can use crowd control wel (a spriest, balance druid or warlock) then control the 1 defender and hope you can ninja it by ccing the defender before reinforcements arrive.
A really good trick you can use if you have a DK if you want to force them to cap is to Deathgrip the FC to the flagspot, this is quite hard however since most FC's won't get in LOS of the flagspot if they notice your trying to do this. If you do this make sure there is someone in the middle to pickup the flags.
If they have a hunter defending a base that pushes your warrior/feral, your in trouble, since a hunter can easily solocap against a warrior, if this happens you have 3 options, either switch your warrior/feral and mage around, so the mage is facing the hunter, this might be risky because they can cap your base if they time it right.
The second option is to continuously send a dps back to defend with your warrior when the hunter is comming, which kinda rapes you in the middle.
The third option is having a dps push through the enemy (balance druids with travel form/displacer or spriests with disperse work really well for this) and go to the base the hunter just left empty and try to cap it, most of the times you will fail but it should scare them enough to not try such shit again.
If they have a rogue he might try capping against your warrior aswell, since blind is now 1.5 minutes, so what he will do it go to the base, force your warrior's/feral trinket with his blind and back off only to come back and ninja it again when his blind is back up and your warrior's/feral trinket isn't, you need to make sure your war/feral sets a timer for this and asks for a backup during that 30 seconds when his trinket isn't back up and he is vulnerable to the rogues cc.
Battle of Gilneas:
Battle of Gilneas is after TP/WSG my favorite battleground, before blizzard changed the spawnpoints it was really impossible to win after you were 1 base down because people could just spawn-rush you pretty hard making it impossible to take a base off the opponents. Luckily once they changed this it very possible to win this even after overcomming a wipe in the first fight
In this battleground it is the best to have your war/feral defend GM/LH and the rest of your group will go WW.
If you are horde, send 2 people with waterwalking around the back of WW incase they manage to slow your maingroup down and are trying to (smokebomb)-cap WW, these people should preferably be a dk-healer or atleast have waterwalking.
When you reach WW you need to start wiping them asap, this first fight is really important.
Make sure you wipe them before they wipe you, again your DK should be keeping an eye on the flag to avoid them ninjacapping it.
This fight can last for quite long, but even if you notice your getting wiped, keep going, you can still recover if you all die.
Once you control WW, send your hpal to the mines/LH with the prot war and have your mage/rdruid stay at WW.
The rest of your dps+resto shaman should be on the little ramp right next to the waterworks (in between mines and waterworks).
So if they choose to instead of going for a base go for the inbetween group, they can very easily go trough the backway to either mines or WW.
If they choose to engage the group standing there it is really important that you donot get caught, as this will certainly lead to your death.
Also never try to pick fights away from bases.
If they go for the WW and kill someone, he will spawn at the mines, if he has 10 second left and is considered a capable base defender (see the list I posted previously) your prot warrior can then move WW to prevent them from capping the base and thus to buy you some time, you do need to coordinate this properly though.
If they win the first fight over waterworks, you need to make sure that you donot panic, have everybody wait for their ress and buff up, you still have plenty of time.
Then move towards the big mountain in between LH and Mines.
See where their in-between group is and engage that one.
Most likely you will kill 1-2 of them and they will all push back into WW, this is excactly where you want them.
Have your DK(s) stand in between the WW and the LH to slow down any attempts from the enemy team to go LH and have your entire group push LH.
There should only be 2 people there which are easily wipable so you can cap that base.
If it does turn out to be a really long fight at LH you can still wipe them, considering you already killed 1-2 of them earlier.
If this strategy fails just rinse & repeat till you get it right, it does take some discipline from your group to not chase them to WW here.
Always make sure your defenders are communicating with you wether or not their bases are under attack this is again of key importance.
For defending against a rogue/hunter attacking LH/Mines, the same strategy(s) apply as on eots.
First of have your feral/warrior go arms/kitty if he has the proper gear for it.
First of abit on linguistics: it's important that people know what you mean when you call for a certain cart, so say beforehand to your team that:
Most left cart=top or water
Right card=right or lava
Respawn place of carts=spawn
This might seem abit obvious but I can't tell how many times I have seen people go to the middle and fight there while the leader was calling the middle cart.
In the start you start of by sending 1 person to the middle (horde) or top (alliance) and having all other 9 people go for lava cart, since the locations of the carts can vary randomly in RBG, you need to estimate if you can still cap a cart before it auto caps, this is a proces of trial and error and will take some time before you get a feeling for it.
The goal of this BG is to always make sure you cap 2 carts while the enemy caps 1, preferably the top cart.
The way you do this is by continuously fighting them 9v9 on a specific cart, wiping power really doesn't matter here, controlling of the carts is what matters.
Always leave 1 person who can survive behind on a cart, this will tipically be your warrior/feral (even if he is arms/kitty).
What you need to do is always make sure you are inside the carts range (rsham freedom totem & hpala freedoms are really good here) while making sure that your enemys arn't, classes with knockbacks/aoe cc (shamans, (r/b)druids, mages, warlocks and arms warriors are really good here).
Try to get them splitted up on ress, dont kill their last few people untill the first people are (about to) ress.
The most important thing here is capping the carts, not controlling them, 1 cap gives 150 points, which is more then all the points combined you get from controlling a cart.
The shortest route from spawn-cap is the lava cart, so if possible make sure you get that one every time.
There are levers to make the cart go a different route, but they are fairly useless, I suggest never really using them.
You can try ninjacapping the enemy's cart only do this if the cart your trying to catch is like 3/4th along the way of being capped, this way you dont waste to much time if you fail and if you succeed its to late for the enemy to reinforce, but this is risky since it requires you to send 2 people away which you will not have later, also the 1 defender might be a very good player and be able to defend it by himself until it caps. So in general unless your really certain you can get it or are really desperate for that 1 cap, its probably not worth it.
Overall this is quite a hard BG to lead and it is very dependent on what the enemy does where you want to send your forces, just be careful and make sure people dont make silly mistakes and you should be fine.
Temple of Kotmogu:
Again have your warrior/feral go dps for this bg
This BG is the most stressful cluster**** you will ever encounter, and is mostly about individual skill rather then group leadership.
Again in the start you need to make sure you agree on linguistics, you can either go for top/bottom right/left (seen from the world map) or with the orb colors, depending on what you prefer.
From here on all hell breaks loose.
Make sure the first 2 orbs are picked up by ''proper'' carriers this includes:
Feral druids (not warriors)
Basically anything except for healers and melee.
Try to always have your FC's together with the main group standing in the back and have 2-3 others go for the enemy's carriers.
Also have your ranged stand on ramps and ready to pickup orbs that will die
If your killing someone controlling an orb, call out what color is about to get avaible or where that color can be found, so people can go there to pick it up.
Similarly, if your dying call out where the orb you will drop will be respawning.
Now the point count is fairly interesting, the amount of points you get depends on where you are standing, you get 5 points/5 seconds when you are in the circle, 4 points every 5 seconds if you are in the ring around the circle and 3 points if you enter the grass. (there is some modifier if you controll all 4 orbs while standing in the middle, but thats not really relevant)
Also you get 10 points every time you kill an enemy orb holder.
What you want to do when you have the orbs is NEVER go into the middle, except when almost the entire enemy team is wiped, to score some quick points, but after that get out asap again, since you are very vulnerable to ganks in the middle.
If you have an orb you will just want to kite around the platforms while the rest of your team keeps them of you, just go round in circles while another part of the team goes for the enemy orb holders.
Generally you don't want to kill healers since they will be oom most of the game spamming heals into orb holders (they have less healing taken) so dont bother swapping on healers unless they are a free kill, just focus on orb holders.
Getting the kiting under control is the hardest thing about this battleground, if you can master that properly you have prettymuch won the game.
Also don't be afraid to kite outside to the green if your about to get killed or most of your team is dead, it is a really good way to prevent the enemy team from getting all orbs and getting the +10 point bonus from killing you.
Jaja alles nicht Deutsch, aber der Guide ist einfach mal der beste und ich ahbe nicht die Zeit und Muße das alles umzuschreiben.
How to focus ?
Im RBG ist es extrem wichtig wenn ein Wechsel angesagt wird, das denn auch wirklich alle asap das Ziel wechseln und nicht noch lustig weiter tunneln, weil sie ja gerade so toll Schaden machen der einem aber nix bringt. Wenn ich mir richtig vorstelle wird Mezl oder Fane den Raid leiten, ich hoffe nicht beide zusammen da 2 Ansager contraproduktiv sind. Da Fane heilt gehe ich davon aus das Mezl die Ziele ansagen wird, da jedoch Hexer und Eulen am stärksten sind wenn sie auf mehrere Ziele gehen und beide Fernkämpfer sind und somit nicht immer das Focus im Ziel haben, empfiehlt es sich folgendes macro auf einen der Nahkämpfer zu schreiben, ich denke wir nehmen dafür Andi, denke er reagiert schneller und besser auf Mezl Ansagen, nix gegen dich Kyu
so ziemlich einfach, einfach eine Taste mit dem macro belegen und sobald Mezl einen Wechsel ansagt einfach die Taste dafür drücken (und hoffen das Andi auch reagiert!)
So jetzt ist der Andi aber mal nicht da oder Tot, dafür empfiehlt sich dann eher dieses macro
auch recht simpel nehmt einfach den denjenigen ins Focus der bei euch für die Ziele verantwortlich ist und bestenfalls kein Multidotter.
Profi Variante für alle Fälle:
/cast [mod:ctrl, @focustarget, exists, harm, nodead]purge; [@focus, exists, harm, nodead]Purge; Purge
Hier ein Macro für den guten Asno, so also was macht das Asno? Genau wenn du es normal drückst purged es einfach dein momentanes Ziel, wenn du jedoch Strg dazu drückst nutzt du purge auf deinem aktuellen Focus, wenn dieses jedoch verbündet ist(am besten wie im oberen Fall Andi) purges du damit das Ziel von Andi(und hoffentlich allen anderen). Damit kannst du also die ganze Zeit bequem heilen und wenn mezl schreit "wechsel auf XY" oder " Fuck man Asno Purge das Focus doch mal" musst du nicht erst wild rumklicken sonder drückst einfach nur die Taste. natürlich gibt es auch genug andere Spells und Klassen die in meinen Augen dieses macro gut für RBG gebrauchen können.
Falls noch irgendwer fragen zu RBG Macros oder ähnliches hat könnt ihr mich gerne hier oder vllt bald im anderen Forums Abschnitt fragen und vergesst die wichtigste Regel im RBG nicht, alle sind leise und einer macht Ansagen die dann auch bedingungslos gemacht werden, Mezl denkt sich schon was dabei :aggro: man kann alles in ruhe NACH nem RBG ausdiskutieren.
Danke. Ich werde mir die Taktiken gleich mal durchlesen.
Zum Targetcalling: Zuerst wird das Kyu machen, da sich ein DK wegen Grip am besten eignet. Falls das nicht klappt kann ich es auch als Destro machen.
sorry Mezl hab hart verpennt wortwörtlich
Bist ne Pappnase.
Bin gerne dabei:
Mateo (Johnny) wäre mit Knut dabei und hätte bis zum nächsten Termin dann auch volles Gear:
bin dabei. sehr gerne!
Mein Account läuft in ein paar Tagen ab und ich werde ihn nicht verlängern. Sorry, falls ihr deswegen keine RBGs mehr machen könnt. Ich hab keine Lust mehr für dieses Spiel zu zahlen.